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FFVoyager
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This car thinks it is a motorcycle!
I can imagine that handy at the Nuerburgring but at 40mph in town? Thought I was getting vertigo when I saw it!
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Happenings
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These things happen from time to time...... it must be like being famous. :-/
Voyagers in Bristol
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Three (of the five) proddy Voyagers moving through Bristol.
Voyager in Traffic v2
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Longer version of the Voyager moving through Taunton traffic.
Voyager in traffic
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Just trying out to see what the 1080p upload to UA-cam is like.
Track to Bitzabikes
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Great bike shop but the access is getting really appalling!
Fiat 500 WN13 PXG - thanks for nothing.
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Squeezed to the kerb by an idiot and, as might be predicted, they 'gain' nothing at all. Why push me to the kerb at a pinch point in the road? You had a clear view of the conditions. A few cementers more to the left (I was up against the kerb) and they would, at least, have scratched their shiny car. Wait a second and they would still have been 5 cars back at the lights and I would not have bee...
A10 SXL - that is not really the best way to ride is it?
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Okay, it might be a bit of a tricky junction layout but that is one of those 'I wouldn't start from here to get to there' moments.....! Have a look at the road layout and make your own decision..... tinyurl.com/ne6ldde
Graham gets the XS back on the road (at last)
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Music by Stone Cross - the band he is the bass player in. The Voyager is a pretty stable camera platform. The camera was a cheap Jumbo 808 'key fob' camera duct taped to the rear deck. Works fine. Wind noise is appalling though.
Motorcycle news item
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Item about motorcycle deaths up dramatically this summer.
ComfortTMAX 2002
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Some old footage of Royce Creasey talking about the early 'proof-of-concept'/prototype ComfortMAX - an FF conversion of a Yamaha TMAX - and some other random FFing history back in 2002. Then some footage of me riding it, filmed from the back of Royce's Voyager.
Beaulieu Ride 2003
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Found this old footage that had not been put on UA-cam! Enjoy the sights and sounds of several generations of FF's (and some other stuff) being demonstrated at Motorcycle World at Beaulieu in 2003. (The filming was done from inside a Carver!)
How-to dismantle the Moulton F-frame fork
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How-to dismantle the Moulton F-frame fork
Royce's Voyager and latest FF TMAX together
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Royce's Voyager and latest FF TMAX together
Voyagers coping with strong sidewinds, Old Severn Bridge
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Voyagers coping with strong sidewinds, Old Severn Bridge
I can see similarities with the Suzuki Burgman.
The Suzuki AN650 maxi-scooter was about 20 years after these - also the Burgman seat base is too high and does not have a supportive backrest. Do check out the Suzuki G-strider concept of 2003 as that was much closer and Honda's own DN-01 of 2008 and the NM4 / NC700J Vultus that was produced in 2014 as they were much closer to the FF ideal.
"Cheaper than the most expensive honda or Harley" 😂
Want it. Would be great cuz I can't bend my knees too well
What is the bike called. Would not a scooter be similar if it had a recumbent seat?
It's an FF, a 'powered two wheeler' (PTW). Back in 1979, Royce Creasey who worked with Malcolm Newell on the Quasar had a series of articles in Bike magazine about developing the motorised bicycle and in it he wrote - "Bodies floating in space invariably run into a lot of atmosphere sooner or later and it's interesting that they generate most drag falling face down spreadeagled - just like you see in the Smirnoff ads. Move the arms and legs forward a bit and you're looking at the frontal area of yet average biker. As the terminal velocity of a hume is only 120-odd mph you can see how easy it is to generate enough drag to support your whole weight. This is taken on the arms and explains why they hurt so much. The machine isn't too keen either; all the drag represents fuel consumption. It's a free vote on which is the more serious but I'd really love to hear any engineer justify sore arms and high fuel consumption in order to adopt a pedalling position on a machine which doesn't fit pedals. The solution is simple: the rider is inclined head first - or feet first. As humans have their eyes fitted at the front, a completely horizontal position either way is somewhat impractical and, at first sight, it may not seem to matter which way is chosen. A closer look at the aerodynamics indicates that this is not the case. A body inclined forward will tend to generate lift, as do the bodies of those maniacs who jump off horrifically high ramps wearing skis. This lift is fairly small - humes don't fly at all well - but when the shape is faired in to reduce skin drag any lift is accentuated." A few months later he wrote "Before I continue this half-serious attempt to design a real motorcycle, it occurs to me that the time has come to define a couple of terms. I find `motorised bicycle' and 'Quasar type' a bit of a mouthful, and difficult to type besides. In future I'll refer to these two quite different ways of laying out a bike as Feet First (FF) and Head First (HF). Old nurses' tales say live patients get pushed around head first while the dead are moved feet first, which correlation may amuse some, but it would be more relevant to ponder on which end of your body you prefer to hit a wall with ... " I think this was the first time that 'feet first' as a description was mentioned in print. The bikes soon became known as FF motorcycles. There is more though. On his own website he posted a couple of definitions of what Feet First bikes are - "FF's are not Motorcycles! Motorcycles are a traditional product developed directly from the Victorian "Safety Bicycle". The riding position and steering systems are identical. FF's are powered two-wheeled vehicles derived from first principles (Isaac Newton) on a clean sheet of paper. Definitions "The FF two-wheeler is defined as a single track vehicle where the rider/s sit in tandem in much the same attitude and at much the same height as car passengers. The seat provided is similar, and sometimes identical, to a car seat." From the 1986 general Information Pack. "A feet first two-wheeler has a low-mounted seat and seat back like a car". From the 1994 review "what ever happened" In 1978, when I worked with Malcolm Newell on his Quasar project we agreed that an FF would have a seat base less than 20" (500mm) from the ground, at normal ride height. " If you want to read the High Tech articles in bike they are on www.voyager03.co.uk And more about the physics of why FF's work see /www.oesten-creasey.eu/hightech/feetfirs.htm#feet%20first Hope that helps.
@@FFVoyager Thanks
Very much like Dan Gurney's Alligator
Predates it by about 25 years. Royce, and I Met Dan at Goodwood in the early 2000's he'd never seen any of the UK based FF bikes going around since the 70's!
It doesn't take a lot of brains to know that this project could solve, to a large extent, today's traffic problems. With a minimum of improvements in design, safety and price, we would have a marvelous novelty in transportation. Manufacturers: Can't see this?
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no doubt the inspiration for the motorcycle in Akira
This is aero-test footage of one of Royce Creasey's Voyager foot-forward designs with modified Tate hub-centre steering. A fabulous machine, super comfortable, brilliant handling and much better in an accident than a standard m/c design.
Wot no comments in 11 years?
When I saw this bike, I dreamed about it all my adolescence! And I still like her so much.
fun times and memories
This but with electric motors in the wheels is my dream motorcycle. Allows for an even lower seating position, storage space, better aerodynamics and great handling.
You mean the bike that Kaneda stole?
Same here!
Gay e-bike
I should be able to go buy one of these right now, but I can’t 😢
You can have a Honda Vultus which is.. kind of close.
He's thinking too much like a car guy. If this was faster you'd see it on track. Bikes turn by leaning. Low center to the extreme is lower because you tip in lower. Fight me on this. You're wrong.
Not everything is about cornering speed, especially on the road and with everyday use. Comfort and mileage matter as much or even more. Also FF motorcycles can achieve a much higher top speed in theory (due to the lower drag) and they can accelerate faster because of their lower centre of gravity. So while the standard position may be optimal for erasing microseconds of your lap time, considering the way 99.9% of motorcycles are ridden and used a FF position is simply superior.
Akria bike
You mean Akira, as ridden by Kaneda in the famous animé film in the 1980s.
@@pnblondon1087 yeah. I don't speak Japanese. Just English and not well and maybe 100 Danish words.
@@boycottjews nobody asked
Must be from 1989?
That is SO cool!
Now this is a dope video. Straight to the point. What is the grease like? Its like this.
Very cool. My only suggestion would be to put a cover over the head lamp. That bucket catching air is really hurting the aerodynamics, or nowadays utilize smaller lights.
i would definitely tuck it in a little bit more and put some acrylic that follows the curve of the fairing
Easy to make DIY.
Can anyone tell me the name of this bike?
voyager
Nick Smith
Great to see this again, and Field Cottage when it still had a thatched roof, back in the early 1980s.
Хаахах, все ждал, когда же он на цепь ебанет шмат этой смазки )) Прям аж чтоб свисало )
Dan Gurney's good friend Eddie Lawson helped him test the early Alligator prototypes, and Eddie was very impressed by its handling. Lawson now owns one, and he rode it in our group during a charity ride in 2018.
Fantastic! When I was 6 I was told thisnwas the future.... I wish I had one!
So that means all the cruiser are basically recumbent motorbikes
Not really - only a very crude version, because they mostly use a worse version of telescopic forks, rather than the superior hub centre system.
@@pnblondon1087 hub centers are a weak point. I think they're cool but they're not as reliable.
@@boycottjews Not all hub centre steering systems are the same. I've ridden Difazios, Taits, and Creaseys - all double sided. Then there are the completely different single-sided systems designed by Parker (and on to the GTS Yamaha) and Tony Foale. Then there's the Italjet system. I could go on...
@@pnblondon1087 all are more complicated and expensive than forks
@@boycottjews They aren't any more expensive than top-class forks and they aren't really any more complicated. The key thing is that they separate the steering from the suspension. The Hossack system (which is not HCS) is actually a lot cheaper and simpler to make than telescopic forks (as copied by BMW and renamed 'Duolever').
Isn't there some kind of way you can get this oil into a sturmey Archer hub through an indicator hole? Without taking off my chain guards or taking apart the actual hub?
God bless the open mind
The 'GurneyGator' at rest may look like a high-school restoration gone wrong, but to see it in motion or pilot one, everything about it seems like sheer genius.
Do you think such NLGI 0 grease can be used to lubricate bushings in non-oil bath suspension fork? (Manitou Axel). I'd like to use the least dragging one, but I'm afraid if it will stay on the bushings...
I use chainsaw chain oil
Good
Can you do a vid about playing in sand, next! This one about playing in grease, had me really excited! I'm looking for one about playing in butter, and one about playing in glue, also!! Thanks in advance!!
When you're a sportbike guy who likes cruisers.
The Alligator ain't no cruiser! And I say that having had the privilege of riding two Alligators!
Yeah, it's the motorcycle from Akira! But with a combustion engine.
My Titan brush mower requires this in the gearbox.
Planning on using it in rototiller gear box to compensate for a leaky seal. Good video all I wanted was to see viscosity. Thanks.
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The fact that no established manufacturer would consider trying to make one and sell it still baffles me to no end. And here I stand, wanting to own one of these, wanting to ride one of these, and I will most probably never see one in the flesh. Also I'm 1,98m tall and the vast majority of bikes are a torture to ride because of my height. I swear if I win the lottery one day I'll assemble all of the FF enthusiasts and we'll launch our own company !
I’m in.
Me too.
While I too want to see more aerodynamic motorcycles I think the main objection is safety - current bikes are meant to throw you off if there's a frontal collision whereas this one would likely cause you serious injury in such an accident. I don't think such a design is even allowed under current regs. It might be different if it was fully enclosed.
@@tegrovi You're completely mistaken, and I say that having crashed a variety of FFs and many varieties of conventional bikes. I've also ridden and crashed fully-enclosed Peraves Ecomobiles. It's definitely safer to crash in an FF.
design a FF motorcycle that accepts a passenger. Also dont fuck it up like Monotracer did. holy fucking shit only 40 mpg.
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Read how crosswind-stability of two-wheeler works in: Andreas Fuchs, Trim of aerodynamically faired single-track vehicles in crosswinds. Proceedings of the 3rd European Seminar on Velomobiles, 1998, p. 134ff Downloadable from www.velomobileseminars.online
Clever design. What happened to it?
It's currently being rebuilt in South Wales (summer 2022, more than 40 years after Malcolm Newell built it).
In regards fork-blades, mine are off-centre (so raked-back). Would it be safe to bend them back, perhaps with the appropriate Park Tool ffs 2? I am in Australia where parts are scarce and a Moulton Preservation change-over cost prohibitive.
Given where you are, the best thing you can do is try. You can't make it any worse can you? I'd be careful to check the brazing where the fork joins the steerer tube after the repair as some early forks failed there.
thanks for your video I could dismantle and reassemble front suspension. but still a little play between steerer tube and head tube. is it ok? or I need to change the parts, srrated nylon bearing?
+정재욱 Most likely. Sometimes you can fit the serrated bearing in a different position and it will take up the slack, but if you had it apart it is likely to be fitted back in a different splines anyway.
Love the way the Quasar miraculously pops out of the ditch and back onto the road with no pushing or lifting required! ;-)
yes considering it weighs a third of a ton !
Why is it that none of these bikes are mass-produced ?? I want one... Nowadays the manufacturers just slap some led lights and abs on the same old shit and they call it new concepts... This, however, this is the future. I could very well see myself on a feet forward bike... Nearly horizontal position, like some recumbent bycicle, with center-hub steering and a bmw R1200 flat twin combo for a very low center of gravity... Scraping elbow pads on turns, ha ! Well, a man can dream, eh.
Its a plane attached to the ground,so the aerodynamics must be right,short nose,a little wider at the rear so as not to let the air to become unattached.Amazing,we need more of these,Motogp should have a experimental class
Have you ever actually ridden a Quasar, M1aws? I suspect not. I've ridden more Quasars (and FFs, and Ecomobiles and Monotracers) than most people and I've never had any trouble in crosswinds with them, whether stationary or moving. Check out the video of me riding my Quasar down to, and at, Beaulieu in Nickster's UA-cam video from 2006 which is entitled "Feet Forward in Beaulieu". PNB
Riding a Quasar doesn't change the facts. Sitting higher, (sadly) increases the moment of your legs to support the vehicle against adverse conditions when sat still. The Quasar has little meaningful body work to present side winds in this condition.